Had a brief chat with Shaun from Fused Flora.
He's tried around 30 different batches/suppliers. He said Hirsuta has a low ceiling and is very hard to get dialed in. It’s also very course so you should use a scale. Hard to say what amount is best for you, but he takes 3.5 grams, gets wobbles at 3.8 grams, and no effects at 3 grams. It’s a very small window.
Thanks for posting about this. I’ve been seeing more and more people talking about hirsuta recently, many complaining about issues after taking too much. Hopefully this helps others avoid what you went through.
And please get a scale, there’s really no way of knowing how much you’re taking without one. Even plain kratom powder varies in density, especially with the new nano grinds becoming popular. Amazon has a bunch around $10.
@Andrew-Goldin I'll do my best to dig a little deeper and answer some of those questions. As far as the younger trees go, I have two that are 7ft tall and 2 years old and several that are 5 foot in about a year old and have yet to harvest anything viable off of them and I sure want them to produce something. They are healthy and robust
Couple of blog posts from Magick powers potions debunking the theory that young trees don’t have mitra (warning their site is annoyingly slow).
I do think that a hydro grower could grow quality Kratom, but I question whether they could provide quantity.
I would question if that kava bar owner is really sustaining his operation with hydroponically grown kratom. A lot of the kratom vendors believe they are getting certain things when they’re being lied to. Take strains for example - all made up for marketing. You often hear vendors make claims about their leaves harvested from the wild etc, but most really have no control over leaf sourcing and Indonesian suppliers will tell them what they want to hear. Do you know if his source is Indonesian? Was he offering powder or crushed leaf?
On another note , unless there is science out there that shows trees cannot develop the alkaloids til an older age; I think the farmers and growers of kratom may be attaching on to a consensus theory when in reality, some young leaves could be potent. I think Older trees will give you a greater odds at harvesting potent leaves, but it’s not impossible for young plants to have potent leaves if they’re healthy strong and getting the nutrients. If a young tree has some dark green, dense and thick leaves, those leaves will probably be potent is what I think. It’s possible that with hydro you could have young trees that are rich in alkaloids. Are you able to share what kava bar this was? I definitely want to look into it. If he really is getting hydro, that sounds pretty awesome.